INTERVIEW WITH GARY ALDRICH
March 16, 1998
Chuck Baldwin: Our special guest is Gary Aldrich. Not a stranger to this program and I'm sure not a stranger to most of you. Gary was born in 1945 in Amsterdam, New York, raised in south Florida, became an FBI agent in 1969, served the FBI in Texas, California, Florida and Washington D.C. Twenty years experience in complex cases, including political corruption. The last five years he spent in the Bush and Clinton White House, retired in 1995. He's the president of the Patrick Henry Center for individual liberty. The center has, among other projects, a whistle-blower project. The purpose of the project is to promote, support, identify and celebrate those who are willing to step forward and reveal serious wrongdoing in the federal government. The center also promotes the memory of Patrick Henry, free speech and all rights contained in the Bill of Rights. Gary Aldrich is the author of the best seller, Unlimited Access, an FBI agent inside the Clinton White House. And once again, welcome to Chuck Baldwin Live, Gary.
Gary Aldrich: Chuck, thank you very much. Thanks for the invitation to come on your show and it's a pleasure to speak to you and your listeners.
Chuck Baldwin: A lot has happened, has it not, since the last time we spoke?
Gary Aldrich: Oh, it's almost impossible to keep up with, it's popping and happening so fast. And of course, those of us like me and you who have been predicting this kind of thing for some time are not surprised; sad, disappointed, shocked but not surprised.
Chuck Baldwin: For the sake of our new listeners, (this program is growing rapidly and we have many new listeners), would you quickly give a review of your tenure in the White House, what you observed, the things that precipitated your retirement and the book that you wrote, Unlimited Access?
Gary Aldrich: Sure, I'd like to do that. I was an FBI agent for twenty-six years. Twenty of those years I spent away from the White House in various parts of the country investigating serious criminal and federal cases. A lot of those cases involved political corruption. And then I was transferred, upon my request, to the White House. I was selected out of a group to serve there at the White House in the summer of 1990. I went there, of course, and began to work for the FBI at the White House under the administration of George Bush. And my job was to work with the Secret Service and the White House Council's Office to help determine the suitability of folks who felt that they wanted to work at the White House or who the President or his Senior Staff wanted to work at the White House, to determine that they weren't going to be a big embarrassment to the President or to the U.S. Government or to themselves.
Chuck Baldwin: And what were those observations that caused you such concern upon the advent of the Clinton Administration?
Gary Aldrich: Well, recall that we had Ronald Reagan in the White House for eight years and then we had George Bush for four and during that period of time scandalous behavior was kept to an absolute minimum I would say, based on my knowledge of history. And of course during the George Bush administration there's virtually nothing happening at the White House that could be considered scandalous. And I think what happened then was that the Clinton Administration came to town, they were a rolling scandal. They had scandals going on at all times. The federal government, including the FBI, was absolutely helpless to understand it, to deal with it, to react to it, in what I would say in an appropriate manner and it just continues and it's continuing to this day.
Chuck Baldwin: You were lampooned in the mainstream media when you wrote your book, Unlimited Access.
Gary Aldrich: Very much so.
Chuck Baldwin: They said that you fabricated, deceived and did not tell the truth. Since then we have all, I think, seen the vindication of Gary Aldrich. Tell us about some of those things that you wrote about in the book that has since been vindicated.
Gary Aldrich: Well, of course, my biggest reason for writing the book was I had a fear that national security was not being protected nor were the associated people, including the President of the White House being protected because they were allowing all kinds of nacreous characters in the White House. In other words, if you could bring your checkbook along, I don't think they cared whether it was Jack the Ripper as long as they brought a check that would clear a bank. We had drug dealers in there. But we also had people coming to work for the Clinton White House who had a serious drug history. That used serious, illegal drugs right up until the time they walked through the gates and then they contended that they had just quit you know. Well, I wanted to bring that to the attention of the American public and I did. And basically, the White House went crazy, hysterical almost because of my book and said that the whole book was a political fabrication, that there wasn't anything that could be true and that I was a pathological liar. The First Lady said that it was a political fabrication that nobody should take seriously. After twenty-six years as an FBI agent that's the best that she could come up with!
So, some of the mainstream media took her seriously and prevented me from going on the usual national television route that any other author would go on. Like Howard Kurtz: today he's a mainstream writer for the Washington Post, he's just written a book about the White House that's not complementary and you see him all over television.
Chuck Baldwin: Well, Gary I don't think there's any question that in most of the minds of the American people you have been vindicated. I mean you've got to feel that way, don't you?
Gary Aldrich: I do feel that way. But I don't feel it personally so much as I feel kind of a joy and contentment for the friends who stood with me at the beginning and even though they knew I was radioactive, if you will, because the mainstream media was on my case. The Clinton Administration, the FBI wouldn't defend me. But certain people did stand with me and those people are feeling very vindicated and I'm happy for them, too.
Chuck Baldwin: Gary, you mentioned national security. Do you see a connection from the observations that you can recall as a FBI agent inside the White House and the story that was just broken last week? Apparently there was top-secret information stolen from the Pentagon that was sifted to the Iraqi government warning them of the details of our impending attack. Do you see a connection?
Gary Aldrich: Oh, absolutely. It's an attitude that the Clinton's and their staff members brought with them that these precautions, that these policies that we had in place for more than thirty years were ridiculous. We shouldn't have them, the Cold War is over, you should all just forget about it and don't worry, there's no problem. That attitude has been expressed by whoever the Clinton's brought with them to these political posts.
Now I don't know if this is a common attitude of a liberal Democrat or not but I will tell you that certainly was the attitude that permeated the White House and no one was paying any attention to security. They thought the whole thing was silly. They thought that FBI agents were just old "fuddy-duddies" that were trying to prevent somebody from having a good time, you see. And so that whole attitude has permeated the Executive Branch and the Department of Defense. And look, I'm grateful we even found out those documents are missing! Because I think there's a whole lot more missing we don't know about yet.
Chuck Baldwin: Good point. Didn't the daughter of the Clinton's, Chelsea, referred to the military and people like yourself in federal law enforcement as pigs?
Gary Aldrich: That was a report that was repeated to me by Secret Service Agent who was quite offended by this but it wasn't just Chelsea who had an attitude. There was one young staff member who refused to talk to General McCaffrey who is now Drug-Czar because he was in uniform. She said, "I don't talk to anybody who wears a military uniform." Of course he was quite offended. It became public, this slight on the part of a Clinton staffer. He has since become Drug-Czar. I don't know if there is a connection there.
Chuck Baldwin: Well, whenever the President himself is on record as stating that he loathed the military what can we expect?
Gary Aldrich: Well, yes that's true. During the inauguration in 1993 some people might remember this, but there was some joke being passed around that supposedly was a true story that one high-level Clinton staff member turned to the other as the jets went over and said, "Boy, I really hate this kind of thing." And the other Clinton staff member said, "Well, remember those are our planes now. That's our Air Force now."
Chuck Baldwin: Gary, one of the things that you chronicled was the Vietnam War era exploits of Bill Clinton. He was more than just a draft-dodger. Was he not?
Gary Aldrich: Oh, no question about it. You don't have to be a historian and dig very far and find the information. It's right there on the public record that Bill Clinton became involved in the anti-war movement, anti-U.S. movement in 1968-69 and went on to lead a major organized protest. We had a major protest here in this country and at the very same time coordinated that same protest was being held among other places overseas at Oxford, England. And Bill Clinton led that particular protest in Oxford, England. The whole protest was put together by an old-time, Communist party USA member, a guy named Sam Brown, who served in the Clinton White House right next door to Hillary Clinton who was, at that time Legal Services Director, another federal agency also a Clinton-Carter appointee. Sam Brown had been organizing these things since his days at Georgetown University. And Bill Clinton had told people right along during that time that Sam Brown was his mentor. So, we have the soon to be governor then president being mentored by a member of the Communist party USA.
But yet, the mainstream media pays no attention to this whatsoever. At the same time Bill Clinton is being mentored, Hillary Clinton is out on the west coast after graduating from Yale University trying to represent the best interest of Black Panther Party members out there. This is the young couple who has come to power in this country. They embrace the politics of the "New Left" of the 1960s and early '70s. And to my knowledge they have never disavowed those politics, which I think is amazing. Because, I think, the fact that you love Marxism, Stalinism, Socialism, Feminism, those are important considerations when you decide whether or not you're going to support the policies of a president and first lady.
Chuck Baldwin: Have we ever accounted for Bill Clinton's time spent in Russia?
Gary Aldrich: Not really. But my research tells me that we don't know how he got there. In other words, we don't know who paid for that trip to Moscow but while he was there meeting with other Americans who were being hosted essentially by the KGB. Coincidentally, that same weekend there was a peace rally in Red Square to honor all the worlds anti-war protestors including many prominent people from the U.S. And so on the weekend Bill Clinton was in Moscow in Red Square there was this organized award ceremony for all the leaders of various countries who had protested the U.S. presence in Vietnam.
Chuck Baldwin: And what happened to all this documented material on Bill Clinton? What has ever become of that? Is that just sitting in a file somewhere tucked away?
Gary Aldrich: I don't know. Of course the information you're talking about may be found in State Department files, CIA files, FBI files or may be not. It just depends on who's been rooting around the files and what has happened to those files since. I don't really know. I can't say.
Chuck Baldwin: National security. It is incumbent upon those who are sitting at the highest levels of trust in this country that they have love, and loyalty to the United States of America. Is not that right?
Gary Aldrich: No question about it. And I would use this analogy: Suppose you have a banking account, most people do, citizens don't sit around all day worrying about bank security. They don't worry that somebody is going to be able walk in and get their money and they're never going to see it again. No one thinks about that because somebody is getting paid to do that and there's a trust involved in turning your money over to a bank. And the same way, we turn this awesome responsibility over to the President and to the other elected officials and we expect them to guard our interests. We expect them to guard our secrets, our office space. We expect them to use the office space in a manner in which will be productive and we'll be proud of that. We expect them to get important things done and not be thinking about chasing little girls around the desk all day long.
Chuck Baldwin: I guess the follow-up question I have then to that is: Is there not sufficient reason to believe, based on evidence not innuendo, that Bill Clinton does not have and never has had the best interests of America at heart? That he has never been loyal to the principles and values or the Constitution on which this country is predicated? Look what he has given to China. Look what's going on in Long Beach, California. Look at the lax policy that we've had toward Red China. Furthermore, even though the United States Senate said last week that we should issue a statement condemning China's treatment of their own people relative to human rights, Bill Clinton doesn't even agree to do that. He refuses to sign the document holding China accountable for human rights.
What kind of a guy do we have up there, Gary?
Gary Aldrich: Well, we have a guy who is very reckless. Who I think, based on my observations of Bill and Hillary Clinton, these folks really are not interested in our Constitution, only when it pertains to protecting them, you see. They're not interested certainly in our capitalistic way of life. I believe that Hillary Clinton runs Bill Clinton's politics. That's what I think. I think the evidence is clear that she does. And she's on record many, many times talking to groups all over this country and around the world criticizing the United States and the kind of government and economy that we have. She hates, she detests capitalism. All around the world, governments who have had Socialism and Communism the kinds of things that Hillary Clinton would like to see, those systems have failed, the people have been turned into slaves, but of course a few of the elitists get to live well and drive around in limousines. That's what Hillary Clinton would have for us, for this country. I believe she is running the politics there in the White House. Bill just does what he's told and as long as he gets his fat cheeseburger and a chance to chase ladies around the desk he's happy. He gets to ride in Air Force One. And I believe that's the way it is. Any man who would put it all on the line to chase little girls around his desk while he's supposed to be the leader of the free world does not have the best interest of the country in his heart. And if you look at all the policies that pertain to North Korea, China, North Vietnam and Cuba you'll find that this country has had an incredibly soft position on all those countries. In my view this translates out to coddling the Communists, being a friend with the Communists and doing things that we shouldn't be doing.
Chuck Baldwin: Yes, that's my view, also. Let's talk about the sexual trysts just a little bit. I was compelled by the riveting testimony given last night on CBS' Sixty Minutes by Kathleen Willey. You want to give us some observations on this?
Gary Aldrich: Well, I was talking earlier with a reporter about this program last night and we were comparing notes. He was saying, "Well, you know, she's a good witness because she's not connected with any politics groups that are against Clinton." And I said, "No Sir, she's a good witness whether she's a Democrat, a Republican or whatever she is, she's a good witness." She's the kind of witness that any prosecutor would die to have on the stand. She carried herself exactly the way people would suggest that a person whose been traumatized like this would carry themselves. She's not looking to hurt anybody. She's tired of seeing the lies. She's tired of seeing the lives destroyed by the Clinton Administration and she's just decided to come out and tell the truth. It shows. She's incredible. She's going to be I believe the one who brings this presidency down.
Chuck Baldwin: Do you think that there are others out there with similar testimony that were watching with great interest who may be inspired and encouraged to come forward now?
Gary Aldrich: Well I know personally of one who could come forward and who could rock the White House but will she? I don't know. Look, these witnesses are incredibly intimidated, they're afraid. They're afraid that their lives will be destroyed like they've tried to destroy Linda Tripp. Obviously, this is one of the big reasons that I put the Patrick Henry Center together. To try to help people make the transition from sitting on guilty knowledge to airing it in the proper forum whenever there's abuse in the federal government.
Chuck Baldwin: If somebody wants to contact your organization, maybe to get a copy of your book if they can't find it in the bookstore, or to find out more about the Patrick Henry Center how can they get a hold of you?
Gary Aldrich: I'd appreciate it if they would drop us a line, write to us at our address or we have an 800 number provided by the publisher in terms of the book and they can order the book right away. The book should be in all the usual bookstores or you should be able to order it. But if not and you just want to order it from your home that's fine and you can call 1-888-219-4747. The address for the Patrick Henry Center, and we're a non-profit foundation, by the way, and all donations are tax deductible, is P.O. Box 223735 in Chantilly, Virginia 20153.
Chuck Baldwin: Even Patricia Ireland has come out today stating if the accusations made last night by Kathleen Willey are true, this is not simple sexual intimidation, this is sexual assault. If this is true, Bill Clinton is a sexual predator. Is that what we're dealing with? Are we dealing with a sexual predator?
Gary Aldrich: Oh, I think so. When you look at the research that's been done on this man and the witnesses who have come forward to testify about his behavior, I think he's clearly a predator. As a father I would absolutely forbid my daughter, particularly if she was really attractive and young, from working in the White House where Bill Clinton works or be in any location where he's going to be. I think he's really right close to the line of being the kind of man where detectives would come out with handcuffs and arrest. He may well have violated the law in that regard but because he's the governor and now he's the president he may be able to waltz away from that kind of charge. But I think what he did to Paula Jones down in the hotel in Little Rock amounts to sexual assault. And they're calling it an assault here in Washington with respect to Kathleen Willey.
Chuck Baldwin: Kenneth Starr's investigation. He has to have amassed an amazing amount of material by this point, would you not think?
Gary Aldrich: Oh, I would think so. And I would think that the importance of the material really goes well beyond whether the president has a problem sexually or is causing problems for others sexually. I would like to emphasize that because we do spend an awful lot of time talking about Monica Lewinsky and now Kathleen Willey and there's others in the news like Debbie Shift for example and Paula Jones. We talk a lot about that as a society. Maybe we think that's kind of interesting and I think of it kind of like a sideshow. But the real circus is how Bill Clinton and his administration have threatened national security, have thrown off all restraints in terms of breaking the law down there at the White House, put our nation at risk in a major way. And I think those are the kind of things that will become important over time and certainly important to the people who are in a position of authority, charged with a responsibility to watch the store, to watch the bank for the rest of us.
Chuck Baldwin: The word I seem to get from those on Capitol Hill is that Kenneth Starr will not indict Bill Clinton.
Gary Aldrich: He can't indict Bill Clinton. Well, there's an argument constitutionally about this.
Chuck Baldwin: Right. It is speculated that he will turn the evidence over to the Congress and then it would be up to them to decide what to do with the evidence.
Gary Aldrich: Yes. And I think they're already beginning to suggest how the evidence will be handled and that, instead of going to the Judiciary Committee, a special committee to impeach will be set up just like during the time of Richard Nixon. The Judiciary Committee has lots of other responsibilities, they can't possibly be bogged down in a month's long impeachment hearing. So they'll have to form a special committee. And they'll put good prosecutors over there, people who can get at the truth and that's the way, I believe, it's going to happen. And just by way of history, Hillary Clinton, of course, worked on the Nixon impeachment special committee back in the '70s and that committee was composed of about thirty-four or thirty-five lawyers that were hired to do nothing but work on the Nixon impeachment proceedings full-time.
Chuck Baldwin: So you perceive that there will be impeachment proceedings?
Gary Aldrich: Oh yes, I do believe that there will be. And I don't think it's a bad thing simply because let the American people see the evidence and see the importance of it or not and then let's decide as a nation whether this is going to be acceptable behavior or not. I think most people think it isn't. But I think you're going to have to, because this is really mostly a political issue, air those charges and those offenses and let our nation decide.
Chuck Baldwin: If this country is going to have any sense of itself in the future this is going to have to be resolved.
Gary Aldrich: I absolutely agree. And you can't run this country on the opinions of Anna Lewis who works for the Democratic National Committee or works for the White House and say, "Well, Ann Lewis doesn't think anything happened here so therefore we're in doubt." You really need to have those witnesses under oath and you need to have that testimony so that the American people can see it and decide for themselves because ultimately we are the jury, we are the ones who will decide.
Chuck Baldwin: Yes. One of the things that disturbs me about the Clinton administrations both as governor and as President is the copious number of strange and unexplained deaths that have seemed to dog this man everywhere he goes. The latest of course is Jim McDougal who died in a prison in Arkansas a couple of weeks ago. Before that there was a young intern who was, I understand, closely associated with Monica Lewinsky. In fact, I understand that Monica even gave testimony that she did not want to wind up like that young intern. Do you have any sense of what to make of all this?
Gary Aldrich: Many people have asked me, "Do you think Vince Foster was murdered" for example? That's a question I get a lot of times when I'm out talking. And my answer is, and the second part of that is, "Did Bill and Hillary Clinton order that?" The real question that I think we need to ask ourselves is, "Would Bill and Hillary Clinton help to cover-up such a crime?" I think that's the real question here. I doubt seriously that Bill or Hillary Clinton would ever order anyone to do away with anybody. But if the political machine that they're a part of decided to do it because they thought it would keep the machine together and then later Bill and Hillary Clinton found out that it happened, I do believe from what I've seen, they are capable of keeping that covered up. That's what I think. I think Bill and Hillary Clinton are capable of covering up a serious crime simply because it keeps them in power.
Chuck Baldwin: That's a good point. One of the things that you mentioned a few minutes ago was the comparison to Dick Nixon back in the '70s. The thing that brought him down was cover-up, right? And the crime in question was a simple break-in and a single absconded FBI file. Now under the FBI here in Bill Clinton's administration we have some 900 FBI files that were illegally absconded by this administration. Give us some update. Is there any resolve to that situation?
Gary Aldrich: Well, actually we have not seen any movement on the FBI file investigation by anybody including the mainstream media since Livingstone left town, Marsika and Livingstone high-tailed it out of here and the last Congress ended in session. And at that time, Congressman Clinger, the chairman of that committee, the Oversight Committee, promised the American people that there would be part B to that whole investigation. Now of course Congressman Clinger unfortunately retired as we know and the whole matter was turned over to Congressman Burton. At the same time, we know that the case was also being investigated by Ken Starr. So we don't know what Ken Starr knows or what he's doing. I've complained about the slowness of it but that doesn't mean he hasn't conducted a really great investigation. That doesn't mean that Livingstone, Marsika won't be ultimately arrested, we don't know. But we do know that Congressman Burton has the authority to open that case back up, actually not reopen it because it's never been closed. He has the authority to go forward, call more witnesses, look into it deeper and find out the truth of the matter so that the American people can get this question answered. Because frankly as I point out in my new paperback version of my book, more than 20,000 people had their trusts violated when the results of those 900 FBI files were turned over because it takes about that number to make up the guts, if you will, of the 900 FBI investigations. We had to interview around 20,000 people to make those files.
Chuck Baldwin: One of the things I hear constantly on this radio show is the suspicion that many in the Republican party have been compromised with the FBI files being in the hands of Bill Clinton due to damaging information in those files and, therefore, they're not going to oppose Clinton. What do you think about that?
Gary Aldrich: Well I often wonder if that rumor wasn't started by the Clinton administration who's trying to create the perception that all politicians are alike and everybody does it and all FBI files contain lots and lots of derogatory information, it's absolutely not true. One of the best kept secrets in Washington, D.C. today is that the Republicans, the conservatives, the ones who've been investigated by me anyway, have fairly conservative backgrounds with very, very little scandal involved in their behavior; past, present or future. And whereas, the other side the liberal Democrats, you should see their files, I wish you could frankly. But I'm telling you it is a circus. And the events in their lives of unsuitable behavior, of outrageous bizarre behavior somehow or another as a society we've allowed these people to get away with this behavior simply because they say, "Well, we're liberals." You know, I guess they feel that the rulebook doesn't apply to them. And I'm an agent, like many of the other agents, who conducted these investigations, I've seen both sides of the street. The Republicans, of the 900 people who have their files taken by the Clinton Administration, haven't got a thing to worry about, there's nothing in there. Reading those files would be fairly boring to the average passerby. But having said that, this information in these files is incredibly personal and it's sensitive. And it contains things like for example if you were married and you and your wife at one time were having some difficulties, perhaps you'd seen a marriage counselor you know that's a pretty common thing these days, you would consider that pretty personal and private matter and you wouldn't want anyone to know about that and that would be in the file.
Chuck Baldwin: Gary, I hear this quite often from the defenders and apologists for Clinton, "So what? What he does in his personal life doesn't matter. Why should you care? So what? He's doing a good job as president." How do you respond to that?
Gary Aldrich: Well, there are so many responses, I'll try to make a few here. First of all this is a couple, the two of them they're a team, they're a tag team down there - Bill and Hillary Clinton, who have been trying to tell us since they took office what we should do about our families, what we should do about our children. They have involved themselves in our lives at every level and they continue to try to do that. And so they've held themselves up as mentors to the nation. In the meantime, the mainstream media has built them into "the first couple" if you will, showing pictures of them coming out of church holding a Bible and all this other, smiling and holding hands. And so look, they've created the problem for themselves. If they came to office and said, "Look, we're just business managers here. We're just going to manage the business of the government. We're going to take care of fiscal issues and protect the nation." That would be one thing and I think we'd be in a position to quickly forgive them of some of this other. But they've held themselves out as teachers, models, mentors and how you should live your life and they're quick to tell you how you should live your life. Therefore, I think they must now stand and answer for their personal and professional behavior. And that's just one side of it, Chuck.
The other is, of course, what has this couple done to our children? What have they done to us? These are the very same people who tell us all the time they're concerned about our kids and then they behave this way. And I'm saying "they" because it's Hillary Clinton who enables this man to do this. Without her ability, without her help he couldn't do this. He couldn't get away with this except for the fact that Hillary Clinton is protecting him, is enabling him. And we use that word a lot in law enforcement when we talk about people who keep a drug abuser going by enabling the drug abuser to continue to live a lifestyle that involves illegal drugs instead of giving them the "tough love" that they really need to get beyond the behavior.
Chuck Baldwin: When Hillary says It Takes a Village to raise children she means it takes the federal government. Yet now we have entered into a era when in a discussion with school-age children about the President of the United States we have to talk about oral sex. What does that say about what Bill Clinton has done to the children?
Gary Aldrich: Well, yes you probably have read, as I have read about the two teenagers in Texas who stood in front of the classroom when the teacher went out the door on a dare and performed oral sex on each other as a result of all this coming out in the news about Bill Clinton. Yes, you can't let the kids near the TV screen.
Last night it was amazing, we were trying to have dinner. I had set it up so my kids wouldn't be watching Sixty Minutes but I wanted to watch it, I thought it was important to watch it. We had to keep turning the sound off because they'd wander in to ask us a question or do something else. I couldn't let the primetime network news be on when my kids were in the room. They're 12, 11 and 9 years old.
Chuck Baldwin: Is not this not so much a referendum on Bill Clinton as it is a referendum on American people?"
Gary Aldrich: Well, I'm not sure about that. And I'll tell you why I have a little doubt. I think I know where you're going with that. You know as American people, for the last twenty-five years and possibly even more than that, we've been told that we should defer to the experts. We've had experts in everything in our society these days. And for example: Your taking a real risk if as an average citizen you try to stop a robber who's robbing the 7-11. The police would be quick to tell you defer it to the experts. Let the police do it. We're sending in massive amounts of tax dollars to Washington, D.C. We have all these people back here including FBI agents, Congressmen, staff members and investigators to look in to this kind of wrongdoing. I don't think it's the job of the American public to rise up and riot and 400,000 come out onto the streets to get the attention of the federal government. I don't really think we ought to do that. I don't think we should do it because I think we're already paying somebody. And not only that but the Founders of this country set it up so that one branch government would oversee the other to help us as citizens avoid getting involved with this kind of thing. At the same time, who's in charge of the outrage anyway? Who's the group, who's the entity who is supposed to express outrage for us when it's appropriate? The mainstream media.
Chuck Baldwin: Right.
Gary Aldrich: And they haven't been doing it. And so when these people come forward and they say, "Well, this has happened", instead of pursuing Bill Clinton like they pursued Clarence Thomas, John Tower and Senator Packwood. Instead of doing that, the mainstream media says, "Well, we're not really sure. Let's not rush to judgment. You know, all the facts aren't in. This is America, everybody is innocent until proven guilty." The American people are confused.
Chuck Baldwin: It's amazing the people that say, "Let's let the facts come in" are doing everything they can to keep the facts from coming in!
Gary Aldrich: That's right. And you and I see it and so many of your listeners, I'm sure, see it. But I've got to tell you, I'm really worried about that bunch of people out there that really don't know much of anything except if it appeared on the evening news. And if we're running the country based on what those people know we're in deep trouble.
Chuck Baldwin: That goes back to my question. Dwight Eisenhower said, "Politics should be the part time job of every American." I think this absence of concern by the American people is responsible for our government becoming unaccountable. This is, after all, a nation "of", "by"' and "for" the people. Right? Our Constitution was created for the people. And it seems that the American people have acquiesced their responsibility to maintain good government. As you saw, we're turning it over to the experts and the experts are not doing a very good job in protecting the interests of the American people.
Gary Aldrich: No they're not As you know, the Founders set up a system that was supposed to prevent what's called "mobism." It's called "populism" today. Mobism would be a scenario where the people come back to hear the Congressmen and Senators and before they do anything at all they check with you and I. The majority whipsaws them back and forth and we run the country that way. Well, that isn't what we have. We have a republic here and that implies leadership. So you vote in your Congressman and your Senator and you send them to Washington and you say to them, "We want you to protect our interests. We want you to protect the interests of our country." And the interest of our country includes maintaining our value system, I think.
Chuck Baldwin: Right. Are we not seeing a war for the values of this country?
Gary Aldrich: No question. No question about it. And the champions that we elect and send back here, I don't know about your Congressman, but the champions that we all send back here to Washington, D.C. most of them are not doing their job. Most of them are sitting on their hands because it's too controversial. It takes courage to step forward and speak out. And as long as we allow them to remain silent on these issues, like the ones we have right, they're not going to do anything. We need to get on the telephone and tell them, "Would you like to come back to Washington for two more years, pal? If you do you better get off your hands and you better start speaking out."
Chuck Baldwin: Well, I'm rather proud of our Congressman, Joe Scarborough, from the 1st Congressional District of Florida.
Gary Aldrich: You have reason to be.
Chuck Baldwin: Before we leave the air I want to give you another opportunity to tell the people how to get a hold of you. If they want the book, Unlimited Access or if they would like to contact your Patrick Henry Center in northern Virginia.
Gary Aldrich: Very good. The phone number is 1-888-219-4747. That's for the book. If you would like to send us some correspondence, learn more about Patrick Henry Center or send us a tax deductible donation, it is P.O. Box 223735 Chantilly, Virginia 20153.
Chuck Baldwin: And once again, Gary, thank you very much for being on our program today. Keep the faith, my friend.
Gary Aldrich: It's been my pleasure and thank you so much for having me on.
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