Chuck Baldwin: We welcome one more time Gary Aldrich to "Chuck Baldwin Live." Thank you for joining us today.

Gary Aldrich: Well, thank you very much for having me on. It's a pleasure to speak to you and your listeners in Florida and I'm grateful for the opportunity.

Chuck Baldwin: The New Yorker Magazine's Jane Meyer and others have seemingly been hell-bent to discredit what you have stated in your book, Unlimited Access. Please respond.

Gary Aldrich: Well, yes, this is one of a series of hit pieces which have been written about me and my book since it first came out in the beginning of June, 1996. They were extremely vocal and hateful regarding my book. Some, in fact, I would describe as hysterical. They just couldn't believe that an FBI agent who had worked at the White House for their President would write a book like this about that person and those people down there because these are the same people, of course, that they hang around with over the weekend with cocktail parties and so forth. These are the people they support. These are their kind of people. That's my belief. And the Washington Post and The New York Times and other newspapers who consider themselves elitists who do support Bill Clinton just couldn't handle it. And then when the book became a Best Seller it was a double injury to them. Now I'm on their turf you understand. Many people have tried to write Best Selling books about Bill Clinton and the White House and many people have failed. There have been some Best Selling books about the Clintons but there's many more that have not been. And so now I was on their turf. How dare I be an FBI agent, a dumb gum-shoe FBI agent, how could he possibly write a Best Selling book? Why the whole thing must be a total fraud or fabrication or whatever. And that is the position they've taken on me and I believe it's for those two reasons. Number one: I wouldn't stay in my place. And if you really think that in America today we don't have a caste system, think again. I couldn't change careers. It was just not permissible for me to go from being an FBI agent to a Best Selling writer. It's just not allowed. And I think back to the time when Joe Wambaugh, (I'm not comparing myself to Joe Wambaugh because he is probably a much better writer then I am), but when he was an LA cop he wrote a book and it became a Best Seller and there was all kinds of hammering about that in Los Angeles. It took a long time for people to get use to the idea that Joe Wambaugh had decided that he didn't want to be a police officer any longer but he wanted to be a writer. Now everybody is use to it. But at first it was a major calamity that a man should change careers.

Chuck Baldwin: I think you nailed it, too, when you said that this is "their" President. This President has enjoyed immunity from journalistic scrutiny since before he was elected the first time. And it seems that these people will do anything to not expose his foibles. And you have invaded that turf big-time and the success of your book, I think, scares them just a little bit.

You said some things that, at the time, were quite startling. And because this audience is growing all the time, I want you to take a few moments and rehearse with us, again, some of the revelations that you put in the book that started all of this negative reaction.

Gary Aldrich: Well, I worked in the White House for five years, and before that for twenty years I was a criminal investigator. My job was to gather facts and report them accurately and later testify as to those facts and to support the particular investigation, the case if you will. And so Ijust used my training and experience and education in the same way when I went into the White House. Nothing changed. And for five years I conducted background investigations of White House staff members. When I went into the White House for the first day it was during the Bush administration in the summer of 1990 and I left in the summer of 1995 after spending two and a half years in the Clinton administration. So I saw that contrast. And I was able to also put what I saw in the Clinton administration in context with every other federal agency I'd ever seen or been a part of and also compare it to my time on Capitol Hill when I worked for the FBI in the Senate and in the House. All of that together allowed me to write this book which has many interesting reports about Bill and Hillary Clinton's behavior.

One of the behaviors which I identified was his ability during a period of time to get away from the Secret Service guard detail, his agent detail and wander about and do pretty much what he wanted to do. And we can speculate about what Bill Clinton wants to do. He has forged his own reputation. I'm not a party to his reputation. He made his own reputation.

Chuck Baldwin: Exactly.

Gary Aldrich: As they say, "You make your own bed, you lay in it." I found out that he was getting away from his Secret Service detail, which I thought was an amazingly selfish act, of course, but also a very dangerous act in that it impacted on national security. One of the trips that he took, in fact it was alleged that he did this frequently, was from the White House to the Marriott Hotel in Washington, DC to meet a woman there who was not his wife who was a celebrity, reportedly. That's as much information as I was able to develop about it and I said so in the book. I said, "We need to conduct more investigation into this to prove it, whether it's true or false, but this is the allegation." That was the allegation that kicked off the negative campaign waged against me in the book, even though 90% of the book is my own eyewitness account of what happened in the Clinton White House. The media and the White House very cleverly said that if I couldn't prove the Marriott Hotel excursion then nothing else in the book could be true. This is obviously a "straw man" argument. But they were able to pull this off and take that position on it. And they have never strayed. They have never wavered from that position. But in the meantime since the book came out many, many, many things in the book have been proven to be true. And I mean proven through testimony under oath. So I feel very content and very vindicated in the material that I put into the book. I've always felt comfortable with it. I always knew the truth would come out.

Chuck Baldwin: You know, I find it incredible, too, that they would react to that one particular accusation. After all, part of the legacy that the Bill Clinton presidency is going to forever have is the "So what?" syndrome. So what that he is a philanderer. So what that he is immoral. So what that he has these excursions into immoral behavior. Everybody from the liberal Democrats in Congress to the man on the street who voted for him has the same attitude: "So what? Who cares? It doesn't matter; it doesn't impair his ability to lead the nation." So, that they would target that in your book I find quite amazing. If they are consistent in what they believe, then who cares that he would go off on these excursions, after all, wasn't your concern not the moral aspect so much as the security risks to the country?

Gary Aldrich: My theory on this: The reason they're doing this is because if enough Americans read my book they will at last have the information they need to understand who Bill and Hillary Clinton are, as people. And once they understand them, I'm very confident, once they understand Bill and Hillary Clinton then Bill and Hillary Clinton will be neutralized in that they will not be able to foist upon us their very radical, what I believe to be a very radical agenda for this nation. They will be stopped from imposing this radical agenda. For example, Hillary's position: she knows better then anyone else; she should be the icon or the leader to tell all ofus parents how to raise our children. It's absurd! And yet, the mainstream media treats her as if she is the authority on raising children. She's never raised a child. The State of Arkansas raised her child and then the federal government raised her child. Hillary Clinton never had to schlep the kid down to the pediatrician or take care of the child during the day or run out and get the apple juice for the baby. She never had to do anything like that. What would she know about raising a child.

Chuck Baldwin: Good point. When we come back from the break I want to talk to you a little bit about what has happened. When we first talked to you the book was just released. I had just read it. We were in the rudimentary stages of your book's impact. Now we've had some time to see the reaction. You have endured some pretty incredible things yourself as a result of this book. I would like to steer in that direction on the other side of the break.

Gary Aldrich: Very good.

Chuck Baldwin: Tell us, what has life been like for you since the book was published?

Gary Aldrich: Well it's certainly different from the life of a career FBI agent who basically has a regular schedule plus needs to be on-call at all times to jump out to a bank robbery or a drug deal or a search warrant or a kidnaping. And certainly different than working down at the White House full-time everyday for five years. So, in that way it's much different. But, I have been the subject of much media interest, as you know. I have allowed myself to be interviewed I think pretty close to a 1,000 times now. I haven't kept track of it all. And I have been on more then 500 radio talk shows to talk about the book and to allow myself to be interviewed by radio talk show hosts such as yourself. I do a lot of public speaking around the country now. I do fund raising for conservative groups. And I've made an enormous number of good, new friends. I've made a lot of enemies.

Chuck Baldwin: Let's talk about the enemy part just a little bit. I understand the royalties of the book are in question. Perhaps there is other action being taken against you by various agencies of the federal government. As much as you can, will you expound on that?

Gary Aldrich: Yes, I certainly can. The good news is on Sunday we learned through an NBC source that the Department of Justice has made the decision to leave me alone, which is a decision they should have made right away, all along. They had no right to threaten me with a lawsuit to collect the royalties. And we knew that from all the research that the lawyers had done that we were safe. But we also knew that they could go ahead and file a lawsuit if they wanted to and we would have to respond to it which would take up a lot of time and money and would be unfair and abusive. But these kinds of abuses are pretty characteristic of the Clinton White House. So, I fully expected they were going to do it.

Chuck Baldwin: So, the ruling you heard is that you will be able to keep the royalties.

Gary Aldrich: That's right. My wife and I will now be able to enjoy the use of any royalties that come from the book.

Chuck Baldwin: Well, that's good.

Gary Aldrich: But before people get the notion that I'll be riding around in a Lincoln Continental or a Rolls Royce, let me just tell you that I did not get the kinds of royalties that you hear about. For example like in the case of Dick Morris who got 2 1/2 million dollars or George Stephanopolis who got 5 million dollars. We got nothing of the kind. Nothing anywhere resembling that. In fact, as I look at what the projected royalties are I really wonder whether or not money could have had anything to do with it, frankly because nobody would do what I just did and went through for the sum of money that we will eventually see.

Chuck Baldwin: Gary, you mentioned earlier in our interview here this afternoon the radical agenda that you feel Bill Clinton has for this country. Could you expound on that a little please?

Gary Aldrich: Well, yes. Any shallow examination of the politics that Bill and Hillary Clinton would convince you quickly that these are not FDR Democrats at all. They're actually the new left Democrats that we saw during the radical years of the '60s. People who were attracted to groups like the SDS, who had friendliness towards communist countries, anti-US people, people who would enjoy going down to communist Cuba, for example, to cut sugar cane. That's this crowd. And they are now in charge. And even the most cursory glance of Bill and Hillary Clinton shows that to be their background. He was involved in radical politics in Georgetown University and then in Oxford, England. And later he led the march, of course, against the U.S. position in the war in Vietnam on foreign soil in England. She, Hillary Clinton, became involved in leftist causes, including some legal work she did while she was attending Yale Law School to free the very dangerous and violent Black Panther members. Those are just two examples of the kinds of groups they've been a part of and they've been continually a part of since their college days.

Chuck Baldwin: And the people they have surrounded themselves with? What kind of people are they?

Gary Aldrich: Well, for example, Bill Clinton attempted to get Sam Brown appointed to the position Ambassador-At-Large. But the U.S. Senate told them quickly that there was no chance that they would confirm Sam Brown. Well who's Sam Brown? He's a very longtime leftist, socialist, Marxist activist who is well known in the new left as being one of the mentors for so many people, including Bill Clinton. He was appointed to a position in the Carter administration and ran the Action Agency in Peace Corps and Vista. But his politics are very, very far to the left. Two of Sam Brown's closest executive positions when he took those positions in the Carter administrations were filled by two individuals who now have key positions in the Clinton White House. Mr. Podesta, who came on board early on as the secretary to Bill Clinton, now has another senior position at the White House. And a woman named Betty Curry who sits just outside the Oval Office, use to be the Executive Assistant to Sam Brown. You couldn't find anybody more to the left than Sam Brown.

Those are just some examples. Others that we saw during the course of the background investigations I could not tell you because of the nature of the background investigation, I can't disclose it but you'll have to take my word for it.

Chuck Baldwin: As I read your book I was appalled at the utter disregard for moral behavior within the Clinton White House. You described things that were happening that most decent people would recoil at. Yet, these kinds of activities seemed to be common place with those around the Clintons. Do you have anyway of knowing, or do you feel that this kind of activity has continued?

Gary Aldrich: Oh, yes. I have no reason to believe that they have learned how to behave. And I'll tell you why. The behavior that they express is the behavior that is consistent with the new left radicals, the new left Democrats. Sex, drugs and rock and roll. This is what they were brought up on. This was their menu for all of those years. And they don't see anything wrong with this kind of behavior. They don't see anything wrong with indiscretion or lack ofjudgment. Having sex in the White House for example is not a big deal. Not a big deal to them at all. They don't see that as a problem. And the use of illegal drugs as a group, I don't think they have any aversion to the concept of illegal drugs. I think they feel that it's very unfortunate that they can't use drugs whenever they want to just because some people happen to get addicted or go crazy and kill people. They feel that should not be a reason to deny them their use of illegal drugs. I met many people in the Clinton administration who wanted to debate this issue with me during the course of the investigation.

Chuck Baldwin: Right. And you describe all of this and how you were stone-walled in your attempt to get information. I wish we had more time. Gary, we've got about two minutes left. What's the near future hold for Gary Aldrich?

Gary Aldrich: Well, I'm going to continue to speak out on this administration. I'm also continuing my investigation as a private citizen of these people. We'll probably have a second book. And I believe, my sense of it, where this is all going is that enough evidence will stack up to convince the general public and the Congress, finally, that this Presidency should not stand. In other words, it should be taken down through an impeachment proceeding. That's what I think is going to happen. That's what I think is the punch line to all of this.

Chuck Baldwin: I, for one, sure hope that you are right. And thank you very much for spending this 30 minutes with us.

Gary Aldrich: Thank you so much for having me on. My pleasure.

Chuck Baldwin: God Speed, Sir.

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